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Tuesday, June 8, 2010

Part 3... Dialogue with B.C. Liberal Candidate – Dan Veniez – Slammed Shut!!

Before addressing the rest of Dan Veniez’s comments (listed at the end of this post), please know - I waited for some kind of acknowledgment and/or reply, to the ‘issues’, I'd raised re: his first eight sections of his ‘point of view’.
I was puzzled and still am, by his ‘change of tone’ , that seemed to totally contradict – his very empathic initial response, to my charges of "Ethnic Cleansing" etc... Ex: first letter from Dan Veniez included: “........My family was deeply impacted in many ways that I cannot begin to adequately convey. We weren’t alone. We felt like interlopers in our own city and province much of the time. Sometimes, we felt singularly targeted because we spoke English at home and went to English schools. I remember my father asking where all the leaders had gone to protect us from what he believed – with a lot of justification – was institutionalized discrimination at the hands of language “zealots”, as he called them. So, I get it, Didi. And I know all too well what you felt and feel. The Quebec economy suffered a prolonged and devastating decline. It still hasn’t recovered, and arguably, never will, in relative terms.....” (see Part 1...for full text)

I waited for a reply that never came even going to the length of posting this link on his Facebook Page .
The next thing I knew, without a word, without warning – Dan Veniez had un-friended me on Facebook! That's why the rest of his points (in blue below) have not yet been given my attention.

I did though, send him a couple of Facebook emails asking why he bumped me etc... Note** Although he no longer accepts me as a “Friend on Facebook”... he has NOT let his potential voters know – he slammed the door shut – on ‘discussing this crucial issue’. He did leave... my posts ‘praising his courage etc... for all to see on his FB wall! Since then – he’s gone even further... and now, if anyone wants to join his Liberal Party FB page.... it looks like it won’t be as easy as – every other candidate makes it. If you are NOT an approved FB friend - even taking a look at his political FB wall – is impossible ! At least it is to me. I have to assume ... the “guts” he professes to have ... are not “gutsy” at all.

Here’s the FB email correspondence that confirmed the “dialogue was closed”. I’ll let you decide for yourself – if this is the Liberal candidate B.C. needs. (Note** I am a Liberal Party Member)

May 28 - I sent Dan a FB message asking if he'd bumped me off his FB page:

Dan Veniez May 28 at 3:50pm Report
Yes. My daughter did that, Didi. She and my wife are very upset buy the anger and deep bitterness in your posts and attacks. I encourage and value reasonable debate and conversation. But your attacks are over the top and over the line.


Didi May 28 at 5:04pm
What attacks are you or they referring to Dan? And where am I being unreasonable? If you or anyone was that upset - then why on earth didn't you write me and let me know what was upsetting them and I certainly would have discussed what I posted and tried to post the facts with more tenderness. I did publicaly post on your FB page - that this was NOT personal and that the conversation may get heated.

You invited this conversation - both on your Candidacy Facebook Page and specifically noted its importance and - in your letters to me. My tone most certainly did NOT change - or increase. And isn't that what a discussion is all about Dan, especially one as meaningful to so very many people of Quebec and B.C?

You have chosen to become a public figure - running for office in B.C. representing MY Party and I'm corresponding with YOU the Candidate - not your wife or daughter. Nor do I imagine anyone on your Facebook Page or anywhere else dealing with you in your PUBLIC Political Professional Life, would fathom that what they may or may not say or who may say it, is determined by your wife or daughter - making decisions on your behalf? And please let them know - this is not personal - it's part of the 'job description of a candidate and elected members.

So I respectfully ask you to point out what parts of my replies were untrue and/or offensive and I will be more than happy to post a PUBLIC APOLOGY to both You and your Family and to anyone else out there that felt likewise: on Bull Bullet on Facebook and anywhere else you would like me to post my apology on.

PS: The deep bitterness is something shared by multitudes of other faithful Liberals who stopped voting Dan and as you know is: Pain and heartbreak manifesting as bitterness to ones who are not experiencing it - and as you yourself told me you too had experienced - the same pain and heartbreak being experienced by the many Liberals who stopped voting for the Party. The attacks are what concerns me - the ones over the top - and I trust you will let me know what they are.

Respectfully and Sincerely
Didi

Dan Veniez May 28 at 7:17pm Report
The incendiary terms and words such as "Ethnic Cleansing", Bullshit", "Lies" , "no guts", "screaming at the screen", and many more.

They are too much and unnecessary. There are dialogues and then there are rants. I'm interested in dialogue.

You clearly have a point of view and experience. You have expressed it and I get it. I do too, and so do we all. I am in no way bitter about mine. They have made me - for good and bad - what I am today. On balance I think that`s pretty good.

I am a candidate running for office in a constituency in BC, Didi. We have serious issues to deal with in Canada. The one you are fighting are over 30 years old. We have all moved on. You have more rights living in Quebec to services and to speak your language than the french do anywhere in Canada. Same for Aboriginal Canadians.

Time for solutions. For positive energy and approach to issues like the one that clearly eats away at you. Time for reconciliation.
So, dialogue and conversation on issues that are relevant to our future, absolutely. But reliving past and living in bitterness, anger and even hate isn`t for me.
So, please scream at someone else if that`s what you want to do.
Because I am a `public figure`that doesn`t mean for a second that I have to condone or participate in unreasonable and hate-filled discussion. I won`t.



Didi May 28 at 10:31pm
First and foremost Dan.. You know very well, as does everyone else who has read the posts that the words: 'ethnic cleansing', bullshit, 'lies, no guts, and 'screaming at the screen' (I actually said: I'm holding myself back from screaming at the screen) do not even come close to the definition of incendiary terms. Come now. It may hurt to see them used to describe the situation in Quebec (trust me it hurts a hell of a lot more living it) and frankly it should offend you and any other person that believes in equal rights. It should offend you that it has been and is a part of our present culture in Quebec. That, cannot be denied. And you know very well that the words 'bullshit' and lies are used on a daily basis - and even 'no guts'- by pretty much every Politician in the country - far more often - than by me or the general public.
As for the many more... well you will just have to tell me what they are - and as i said, I'll be happy to 'finesse my dialogue' to suit your taste. I have no problem with that whatsoever.

But: As you said to me and on your Facebook Page: It's time someone has the 'guts' to discuss what has been denied discussion. And that YOU are the man who is going to do just that.

You also said very clearly on your FB page that it's time to discuss the "Language Issue in Quebec'. Therefore: Telling me here and now that it is a 30 year old issue and that it's NOT relevant is questionable, no?

I know you said, things became clear when Michael Ignatieff spoke about it in his book. What Michael Ignatieff ALSO said in his book was: that under no circumstances were people to confuse his words as meaning a citizen should be denied their LANGUAGE and freedom to live in it and work in it and enjoy equal rights! Those rights and our language to live in it and work in it and grow our culture right alongside our fellow French Canadians (as again Michael Ignatieff pointed out repeatedly in his books) is a FACT that is now denied us.

I'm sure you agree, that what is relevant to discussing the language issue: are the detailed points you raised - about the HISTORY of Quebec - and my detailed documented historical facts - in reply: that happen to contradict the unfounded - unproven accusations against the English that have damaged our country to no end. And I'm sure you agree that looking for, finding and discussing what the real truth is - is a responsibility to the voters that must be respected.

Unfortunately your belief that we have all moved on is not the case and is the primary topic of the discussion itself.

I agree wholeheartedly - it is time for solutions and for positive energy. I also KNOW that positive energy flows effortlessly when those (as you said) politically incorrect 'issues' are put on the table and discussed. If Dan - this issue only 'ate at me' I would have 'let it go' - decades ago. Nothing would have pleased me more.
I am too old to waste my time and energy on living anywhere but in the Present. And that is the foundation of this discussion and has been from the start. Therefore - aside from the terms you listed as incendiary - let me know which ones you find hate-filled and offensive - and as stated: I will offer a sincere and heart felt apology Publicly. Perhaps what I interpret as heated - you have unfortunately received as hate-filled. So let me know - please. It is certainly not my intent - nor has it ever been - to offend you. My 'heat' was always and only directed as myths and untruths that have been successful only in dividing the people of this country. My ONLY concern and always has been - in unity - the wonder of embracing each others differences - and of course in equality. I am assuming we are on the same page..

Dan Veniez May 28 at 10:55pm Report
Didi - again - you have a point of view that is strongly held and perspective and opinions. I respect that. We all have the right to our own opinions, not our own facts. And I do indeed take deep offense to terms like "ethnic cleansing" this is context. And I do indeed find that incendiary. Only those who share your narrow point of view wouldn't. But terms like those are, and they also bear no resemblence whatsoever to facts.

There's no need to belabour this any more, Didi. You know where I stand. I know where you stand.

What I encourage is not for me to have an endless and futile exchange with you on this, but for us as Canadians to have a civil and tolerant conversation about this and many other issues that matter to us. Starting that conversation with accusations of racism and other things is not what I had in mind and is counter-productive. I have no interest in that. Your response to my email from yesterday underlined that for me.

Good luck and I hope you feel better about things in the future.

All the best,
Dan

Didi Miesen May 29 at 11:59am
Well Dan, You must have forgotten, my very first letter to you - filled throughout - with the words, Ethnic Cleansing and Racism and more..- with the Same tone - that you now - suddenly condemn as incendiary and offensive, and describe as, my 'narrow point of view???'

The very same words and tone - that instigated, 'Your' very welcoming and Warm response, to discuss the issue? and where you AGREED and went into detail over, 'the fear and shock you and your family - felt 'for years' when Rene Levesques won the election!

I suggest you re-read it Dan - because I didn't change one IOTA of the foundation of the 'discussion you welcomed - with open arms' !

Nowhere - did you - hint - or - state - you found - the terms I used as incendiary - hate filled - and/or offensive!

Your tone Dan - not mine - is the one that - underwent a drastic change - when I asked you - for some - ANY Proof - of the longstanding - hateful accusations - the separatists - nationalists etc... had been 'hurling' against the Anglophone community for centuries - and still do !

It was as though I was suddenly dialoguing with Dan the Separatist instead of Dan the Federalist - and/or two very different - personalities ! And YOU refused to acknowledge - or - address even ONE IOTA - of the documented historic proof - I presented - for discussion! What you did instead - was slam the door - and attack me instead. As is very obvious, for all to see - in your repeated - refusal to respond to my replies - with nothing other than - more 'incendiary attacks' on me. And you know very well that is not only 'offensive' - it is also - a long standing method used by the 'separatists and nationalists' to avoid any and all ' dialogue over the - very current and ongoing - 'language issue'.

Shame on you Dan. Shame on you.



Remainder of Dan’s list of belief’s ??... from letter 3.. Part 1
The timing was lucky for Canada. Had they not chosen to do that, the forces of change in Quebec would have likely met with a very different outcome. Trudeau was there to challenge and fight the more insidious elements of it. I don't know of any federal leader who could have. History would likely have turned out very different - and certainly not for the better.

What happened in Quebec was the result of the cumulative suppressing of an entire population for 100 years. Here's a proud people and culture enveloped in a sea of English without any protections for what it holds dear and feeling exploited and abused by a domineering and rich majority.

They felt under siege and they felt endangered as a culture, the core of which is found in the language. Same goes for most people.

It is sad and unfortunate that people like you - no less Canadian and Quebecois than anyone else - felt side-swiped and victimised by all of that.

But in the broad canvass of history, what happened was a release valve - a very peaceful one at that - that recalibrated the relationship between the so-called two solitudes. More importantly, I believe it led to Quebec being more tolerant, not less, and more open, not less. It also heralded in the unintended consequence of people across Canada speaking more french than ever before.

Here in BC, french is alive, well and a vibrant part of our community. It also is in Alberta, Manitoba, Ontario, and points east. And I dare say that the anglo community in Montreal has changed, too. For the better.

I don't know of too many anglo's who aren't comfortable speaking french. So-called allophones speak three languages or more, interchangeable. It's really fantastic stuff. The fear and the bitterness, for the most part, I think, is gone or disappearing from the English community. On the whole, I think Quebec today is an infinitely healthier society than it was when the two of us were growing up.

Our society faces a variety of new and serious challenges for a very new age, Didi. We need all the help, energy and creativity we can get to address those, not - with all due respect to you and your heartfelt sentiments - fight the battles of the past.

Be well and please stay in touch.
Best,
Dan

Thursday, May 27, 2010

Dan Veniez .... Part 1 continuation...


Hello Dan,

So here it is day 2.  I've taken a bit longer to post this .. because I spent some time - digging into my old files and elsewhere ... to be as sure as I can,  that my response is accurate.   Note:  I haven't had time to edit - so once again ask you to bear with me:  
Continuing on your:  This was the reality for most of Canada's first 100 years. The Quiet Revolution started to change that. And assuming Quebec's rightful place within Canada was the motivation for Trudeau, Marchand, and Pelletier's entering federal politics. They made a massive difference. But so too did the movement, started by Lessage, Johnson, and Levesque, to give Quebec and les Quebecois their rightful place in the federation.

Canada is  143 years old.  And the ‘Quiet Revolution’  began in 1960.    Therefore:  This supposed misery and English bosses heaping abuse and misery on the Francophone population  -  from 1867  to 1960  - is absolutely untrue.  Remember – My family moved to Quebec in 1953....  and if you’d like to re-read what I wrote about that period  - that sense of  harmony in Quebec among the English and French – goes back to,  at the  very least  to the early 1800’s.  And  up until the 70’s   - the French and  English in Quebec were still united  as Quebeckers  as one – so much so – that Quebec had become the Richest Province in the country:  I repeat -  with the population living  as ONE.  French and English  with equal status – its people living in harmony – strong and free.

The nightmare to come – reared its ugly head  when the Quiet (quiet my ass) Revolution yahoos – started up. 
To make my point, I’d like to go back to the  1800’s  Quebec  Reality;  The Church’s  iron grip on the francophone population , and its steadfast ‘ultra-nationalism’  position,  a position that insisted, French Canadians   keep  the ‘nation of  Quebec pure’ (also the true meaning of Quebec nationhood)  and  the only way they could  do that was to not ‘sully’ themselves by associating with those filthy Christ killing English. They preached that message longer and harder than they did the New Testament itself!!  The English were the devils that would lead them straight to damnation.  They – the ‘French nation’  belonged on the land –it was the only way they could remain  spiritually pure and close to God and as directed by God.
During that same period, Montreal was starting to thrive with industry  expansion – railroads etc...  A Montreal that was overwhelmingly English at the time – because after all  the ‘Autres” founders of Quebec  did deserve a place to live didn’t they – a place away from the ultra nationalist  Catholic Church that  -under no circumstance  allowed- those English Devils to step foot  in their pure laines ‘Nation of Quebec’.

The Church of course didn’t give a flying leap its ‘people’ were starving  to death – so much so,  that from : 1840  to 1930:    900,000 French Canadians  left Quebec and immigrated to – of all places  - to the United States – where the wages were higher than anywhere in Canada!   One has to assume – they sure didn’t have a problem working  those ugly mistreating  English bosses - now did they?   
Another important piece of history is, that  - in spite of Church threats of damnation.., French Canadians  had moved  to live amongst the English – and it seems they had NO trouble living together.  No trouble at all!  
So much so – that as  early as  1811  another sense of  ‘Nationalism’ had sprung up.. ".... a ‘nationalism’ made up of  English and French speaking citizens  that had solidified into the  ‘Parti Canadian’!   (It’s name was changed to Parti patriote in 1826)   James Stuart became the leader of the Parti Canadien  in the assembly and in 1815 – reformer – Louis-Joseph Papineau was elected Assembly."

Note:  Elected leaders had NOT been the norm  - so this must have been a very big deal,no?   Notwithstanding  French and English Quebeckers   united under one umbrella   even way back then!
Let’s go on:    “The Assembly, while elected, had little power; its decisions could be vetoed by a legislative council and the governor appointed by the British government. Dalhousie and Papineau were soon at odds over the issue of uniting the Canadas. Dalhousie forced an election in 1827 rather than accept Papineau as speaker.
This part is important:  Sympathizers to the reform movement in England had Dalhousie forced from his position and reappointed to India.
Still, the legislative council and the assembly were not able to reach a compromise. By 1834, the assembly had passed the ninety two resolutions, outlining its grievances against the legislative council.
At that point, the Patriote movement  (remember – formerly called the Parti Canadian)  - was supported by an overwhelming majority of the population of all origins.

Later in 1834, the Parti Patriote swept the election with more than three-quarters of the popular vote".
I repeat French and English – together as one.

Re:  Quebec’s rightful place in Canada  and Trudeau:

By the time Trudeau came along – Quebec  already had everything it had asked for  since 1867  when it was recognized as ‘distinct’  with its own laws,  distinct institutions – recognition of the Church’s leadership position in the Province – its own tax system  and more of course...  The rest of the Provinces were denied any and all  special amendments  they too asked for  and to this day I haven’t heard anyone talk about that!

You say: “They made a massive difference. But so too did the movement, started by Lessage, Johnson, and Levesque, to give Quebec and les Quebecois their rightful place in the federation.”

I agree Trudeau made a massive difference – not so much in Quebec that already had  two official languages;  but more so throughout the rest of the country – that because of his influence and their love for him as the Leader Of Canada – the country was declared “Officially Bilingual”.   Mind you that was in spite of the French population of these provinces – were pretty much less than 1%.  And yet Canadians embraced Official Bilingualism with open arms.  
Note:  The French schools in Quebec – still refused to enrol non francophone students.  And because of their eagerness to assimilate even further into the French culture – the English took it upon themselves to create the first,  French immersion schools.

Re: Rene Levesque and his pals making a massive difference – especially since Lesage and Johnson had been feeding from the public trough as Federal Liberals.  I have no idea what their beef with Canada was about...  but I bet you it had very little to do with Canada and everything to do with that 400 year cultural  - hate those English Devils – conditioning  they had been raised with.

Let me tell you what I do know Dan:  In the 1990’s Guy Bertrand  the Other Founder of the Parti Quebecois arrived on his white horse in Montreal – surrounded by the media – proclaiming he had ‘Seen the light”  and was no longer a Separatist  and had become a ‘born again’  super Federalist.   He proclaimed separation as divisive and wrong, wrong  and the people ate it up.  He immediately became a hero for Federalist Quebecers  - English and French.  
The trip to Montreal – was – by the way – only the second time he’d been to the city.  And he made himself busy – meeting with English groups -  community leaders  and more.  One of the groups he met with  - for the first time in his LIFE -  was when he attended  a two day seminar  made up of:  leaders of groups in the Province – including  its multicultural communities.  Guy Bertrand had never spoken met a member of Quebec’s multicultural community either.  I was one of the members that had been invited to speak.
Guy Bertrand spoke and it was pretty much the same speech he’d given  everywhere else.  His English was very, very, limited.  

I spoke shortly after he did.  I was representing the Staying In Canada Movement.   Shortly after that it was time for a 2 hour lunch break  and lo and behold, I found myself sitting right beside Guy Bertrand, and we started to chat.   I asked him, what had driven him to create the Parti Quebecois alongside Rene Levesque and why he was  devoted to separation for so long. 
He replied:  “The first time I visited Montreal I went, with my friend, across from McGill University to a small restaurant and when I asked for a cup of coffee in French the waitress didn’t understand me”. 
I said:  “Jesus,  Guy – for that you started a revolution ?  Had you gone 3 blocks down to Bleury Street,  you wouldn’t have had a problem – because the from Bleury on down - the rest of the city is totally French and hardly any of the waitresses speak English!”

I’ll refrain from going into his announcement that he was going to start a new political party and asked me to join him...... and leave that bullshit for another time.

I’d like you to note:  That it must have been a brain dead – deaf – dumb and blind waitress that served him – because who on earth can’t  understand  Cafe means coffee!

More tomorrow...  it’s late and I’m tired and am getting cranky  :):).

Wednesday, May 26, 2010

Dialogue with Dan Veniez - BC - Federal Liberal Candidate , Part 1

Hi Didi:

Thanks so much for taking the time to write on a matter that obviously touches a deep and personal chord with you and many other Canadians.

Where to begin?

A good place, I think, is perhaps to direct you and your readers to the contents of my website at www.danveniez.ca. There you’ll find plenty of context for my support of Michael Ignatieff, some background on me, and a few speeches and blog posts that may put in perspective my profound convictions on national unity.

You made some reference to my tender age, and for that I am grateful! But some background on me and my family is in order, I think.

I was born and raised on the working class east island of Montreal. My father was a truck driver and my mother worked at the local Canadian International Paper sack plant as an hourly laborer. Both were lifelong union members and organizers. Dad grew up in St-Michel, a pretty rough section of Montreal. He is of Irish (my paternal grandmother, Margaret Thompson, was born in Belfast) and British (my grandfather, Walter, was born in Croydon, England). Neither of my grandparents spoke any French when they came to Canada, and until the day they died. My father learned the old-fashioned way: By fighting the French kids – literally - on the way to school and back. He was the only English kid in that neighborhood. He met and married my mother, Micheline Riopelle. Mama didn’t speak a word of English when she met my father. Her parents, Laurette and Solomon, hated the English. While my father’s father fought in WWI and lost his leg in the battle of Passchendaele, my Papere fled to the Laurentiens to avoid conscription. In fact, my mother’s parents and her sisters didn’t go to my parents wedding because she was marrying a moudit anglais.

My brothers and sister (we are four siblings) attended St-Charles, an English Catholic public elementary school in Pointe-aux-Trembles, then a suburb of Montreal. Our friends were primarily from English speaking families. My brothers and I lived the same experience my Dad did growing up. We had to be pretty good fighters. I was luckier than most because I played hockey and ended up being pretty good. Scoring goals that was the best and fastest way to gaining acceptance, and over time, trust and friendship. So too was learning and speaking the language, which we all did. we were lucky there, too. French immersion was playing with the neighborhood kids on the streets, not in a fancy classroom.

For the longest time, we didn’t feel at home in our own community. We felt like outsiders. I don’t have to tell you that is a terrible feeling. So, despite the fact that I was a kid – and perhaps because of it – I lived the pain and embarrassment feeling excluded, feeling different, feeling like we were somehow second class citizens. To paraphrase Bill Clinton when he was running for the presidency in 1992: Didi, I feel your pain!

I lived through many of the iconic moments of that period. I vividly recall for instance waving the Canadian flag as President Charles de Gaulle passed by our home in his motorcade on rue Notre Dame going to deliver that infamous speech on the steps of Montreal City Hall. I still see that image and remember thinking to myself: What a goofy hat he has on! Or going trick or treating with my older brother Peter and friend Timmy Martel during the middle of the October Crisis. No lights were on and no one – except us – dared go out that night. Or my father and mother bringing us to a rally one sunny fall afternoon to see this young guy speak to a huge crowd of mostly screaming girls. That was the first time I saw Pierre Elliot Trudeau.

And I indeed remember, because I know now that it was such a formative part of my experience, the language wars. We were scared. That is the only way to put it. Bill 22, enacted by the Liberal federalist provincial government of Robert Bourassa, was the first salvo. That was 1972. We felt the reverberations throughout the English speaking community. In our neck of the woods, it was a very small one. Our provincial constituency was Lafontaine. That is where the first member of the Parti Quebecois was first elected to the National Assembly. His name was Marcel Leger, one of the founders of the PQ, and it is no coincidence that he ran and won there.  

I was in high school when Rene Levesque and the PQ came to power in 1976. That event sent shock waves that were felt for years. We spoke the language, but we were an “English” family. All of us had gone to English schools and that was the language we spoke at home. With Mama, we spoke French, but together, the language was English. The economy tanked. Head offices were leaving and jobs going with it. within a few years, my father lost his job at Canadian Vickers, and the sack plant shut down and Mom lost her job. She was left with no pension and no benefits.

Friends and their families were leaving. My father’s brother and sister left for Ontario. We didn’t see our cousins until years later. My sister got a job in Toronto, where she still lives.

I was old enough to remember how Montreal was the cultural and economic capital of Canada. I remember the jobs that were lost, the pain and anxiety in our family and our small community, and the outright fear that we felt when the PQ came to power.

The high school I attended was the only English language school in the region. It was called ecole secondaire Napoleon Courtemache. It was an absolute dive, as English schools in that area were. Many years ago it was torn down. The closest high school was in St. Leonard, Roberto Luongo country.

My first ever vote was “NON”, in the 1980 referendum campaign, which paved the way for Prime Minister Trudeau’s repatriation campaign which eventually lead to the historic agreement to have our own Charter of Rights and Freedom’s, his most important and lasting legacy to Canada, in my humble judgment.      

My family was deeply impacted in many ways that I cannot begin to adequately convey. We weren’t alone. We felt like interlopers in our own city and province much of the time. Sometimes, we felt singularly targeted because we spoke English at home and went to English schools. I remember my father asking where all the leaders had gone to protect us from what he believed – with a lot of justification – was institutionalized discrimination at the hands of language “zealots”, as he called them.

So, I get it, Didi. And I know all too well what you felt and feel.

The Quebec economy suffered a prolonged and devastating decline. It still hasn’t recovered, and arguably, never will, in relative terms.

That was 40 years ago and much has changed. Quebec is today a more confident society. The insecurities and passions that drove Bill 22 and Bill 101 are very hard to find today. There is more bilingualism and more multiculturalism in today’s Quebec than I have ever seen.

During the constitutional wars that began in Victoria when Lester Pearson was prime minister, a show stopping “demand” from Quebec governments going back to Jean Lessage was that Quebec be recognized as a “distinct society” within Canada. Various attempts to reform and modernize the Constitutional Act failed before and since because there was no support for that concept. In 1992, Trudeau repatriated the constitution without Quebec’s signature. In fact, the National Assembly passed a unanimous motion against it. Meech Lake and Charlottetown fared no better. For different reasons, these stalemates ushered in the Reform Party and the Bloc Quebecois, the genesis of our “permanent” minority parliamentary impasse.

Today, Canadians are living with those consequences.

Frankly, I didn’t like – in fact, hated – the notion that Quebec, or anyone else for that matter, should be recognized as a “nation” within Canada. It took me a while to get my head around that idea. It was Michael Ignatieff who helped me understand what that meant in the contemporary context. I read it in his wonderful book, The Rights Revolution, which I strongly encourage you to take a look at.

“In a strong federation, all provinces should be equal, but all provinces are not the same. Each came to our federation with a particular history that must be recognized. Quebec in particular has a unique history: the only former French colony to join confederation with its own distinct language, legal system and religious institutions. It entered the federation on the strict understanding that its distinguishing features would receive special protection in the new federal government of Canada. Canadian unity ever since has depended on recognition of this understanding.

Quebecers, moreover, have come to understand themselves as a nation, with a language, history, culture and territory that marks them out as a separate people. Quebec is a civic nation, not an ethnic nation. It is composed of all the peoples from many lands who have come to Quebec and associate themselves with the values and traditions of Quebec and Canada. Quebec’s Charter of Rights—and its language laws—balance the rights of the majority, with equal rights for linguistic and other minorities.

More than 5000 nations are recognized as such in the world, but there are less than 200 states at the United Nations. It is normal, therefore, for nations to join with other peoples to share a state. The Scottish people consider themselves a nation, but regard Britain as their country. The Basques and Catalans regard their people as nations, but accept Spain as their country. So it is with Quebec. Quebecers, by considerable majorities, consider Quebec their nation and Canada their country.
To recognize Quebec—and Aboriginal peoples—as nations within the fabric of Canada is not to make some new concession. It is simply to acknowledge a fact. Nor is it a prelude to further devolution of powers. Quebec already possesses the authority it needs, in areas of health, education, immigration, manpower training, language and culture, to protect the identity of its people and to promote its economic and social development. Since the 1960’s, it has opted out of national programs, like the Canada
Pension Plan, while providing substitute programs that meet both its objectives and those of the federation. These negotiated rights to opt out should be respected, but equally Quebecers should have the right to opt in, to participate fully in pan-Canadian programs that expand their citizenship, increase their opportunities and improve their economic performance. This achieved balance—between provincial autonomy and national citizenship—already allows a clear majority of Quebecers to say, with pride, “Le Quebec est ma nation, le Canada est mon pays.”

I understand where you’re coming from and how you feel, Didi. But I sincerely believe that we have – and will continue to evolve in a way that respects and balances the rights of all Canadians. And I genuinely believe that with the right national leadership, our best days as a country are ahead of us. Fighting the painful wars of the past do no good. building together is what we must focus on. That’s what I am dedicated to doing as a person who is putting his money where his mouth is by standing for elected office for the first time in my life. I feel honored and privileged to be doing so. The country my kids are growing up in is a different one than the one you and I did. I want to work to make it stronger, better, and more united.

Sorry for the length of the message. Your note and observations are terribly important. Please feel free to contact me anytime, and please take a look at the website.

All the very best,
Dan
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Dear Dan,


I am more than delighted to have received your reply and frankly, it wasn't long enough :):)    Our family backgrounds are very much alike - I was born in Germany - and we immigrated to Canada in 1952.  My father  had immigrated the previous year & met us at the dock in Halifax.   My mom and I and sister, as a matter of fact we were one of the first 'families' that arrived and made the newspaper - where they mistakenly listed me as a 'boy' probably because of my haircut and the lederhosen I was wearing. Like many immigrants, my father had no English skill and had taken a job as a painter outside the city - so my sister and I spent our first year in a convent (it was the only school that would accept us- at the time) - where we learned the language and had our first introduction to religion.  I remember screaming when I saw a nun walking toward me in her long black robe - thinking she was some kind of monster.  It ended up being a great educational foundation because I walked out out there a year later at the ripe old age of 6 - fluent in English and reading and writing longhand  with ease.  (Just goes to show how adaptable children are.)   In 54 - we moved to Montreal - where we went through the - being called a Nazi - nonsense for the first time.  My father had given us strict instructions to "Not fight back - Don't make trouble" ...  which we ignored - once my mom gave us the nod to protect ourselves.  Luckily, I only recall having one 'fight' about it.  It was probably because we were girls - not boys :)..  the following year we moved to the South Shore,to one of its poorest towns, Mackayville - today a part of Longueuil.   Our neck of the woods,  was majority Francophone (Yech - I still can't stand describing it as Franco/Allo  minority/majority) - and like you, I learned the language from my friends.  Unlike you,  I grew up  in an 'ideal'  environment.  Yes our neighbors were French - that included a smattering  of English families - here and there.   (Note: My father had tried to enroll us in French school as soon as we arrived in Mtl., but the French schools would not accept immigrants or English students)
I spent my childhood - surrounded by the Fizette's next door, a family of 6 who spoke no English -the LeBlanc's across the street - no English,  The Morrisette's a wonderful couple that I adopted as my grandparents - and had long conversations, every day after school.  They too spoke no English (I spoke no French) and to this day I marvel over the fact that somehow, we understood each other and I loved them dearly.  The same held true for the other families in our neighborhood.  We never locked our doors - and weekends were spent - listening to those very handsome Fizette boys playing their guitars and singing Elvis songs - or playing baseball - or riding in a canoe in our back yard when it flooded.  The only time I was ever  made aware of a difference - was when my by now 'best friend Nicole'  told me I was going to go to hell - because I was a Protestant.  (Catholicism was out of the picture at home - because my father had lived through the 'High Catholic brutality in Germany as a child).  I vividly remember telling Nicole that she was very wrong  and then we dropped it.  I did though - join the family for their 'evening mass' and try to pray alongside them in French (never mastered that one)..  There was never a hint of feeling that I didn't belong there.  It just was.   We all accepted each other in the most natural - beautiful way.  We Embraced each others differences  and were incredibly enriched by them.   We celebrated Saint John The Baptist  Day together,  We celebrated Canada Day together.  We went to the sugar shacks together.  We assimilated into each others lives - willingly - enthusiastically.  As I grew up and went to work - another fond memory is, exchanging language lessons - with the taxi driver that drove me into town once or twice a week.
There are too many like stories to tell.  Suffice to say it was about as good as it can get.  And I know - that is the primary reason Quebec became the richest province in the country.  We were rich in spirit and the prosperity was a ripple effect of that spirit.


I moved to the Bahamas in 1967 & although I heard about the FLQ etc... via the family;  it was beyond my scope to take it seriously.  Not my Quebec...  Not the Province that I crowed about to my Bahamian and later American friends, as being the absolute best place to live in the world, because we lived 'together'.   Around that time the Black Panthers were doing their 'thing' in the US  and that's where the "Speak White" (PQ myth) was used....  certainly never in QC.  I went back & forth between stints in QC...  and wherever the mood took me - for a number of years,  and luckily I always had a job waiting for me - in the Placement industry when I came 'home'.  Jobs were more than plentiful  at that time. By the way - the only  employers that ever discriminated when it came to language - were the French ones in the Montreal East area.  And believe me - I dealt with just about all of them in Greater Montreal.


I left QC   in 76 - after the Olympics - married - divorced :)...  and arrived back in QC  in 82.   And that's when for me - the reality of the new Que., hit me like a ton of bricks.   It took a number of years to absorb and accept that my home, my beautiful Quebeck - had turned into a carbon copy of Germany.   You know what happened so I won't go into the details.  Suffice to say,  getting a job in the new Quebec...  was impossible.  So I like many others - had to create a job for myself.  I enrolled my son in French school for the first 4 years  - where - being one of the only English kids - he was treated as such - by not only the kids, but more importantly by the Teachers.   After he developed a stutter (that he struggled with until his early 20's  and it of course profoundly changed the direction of his life)  I enrolled him in English School.  When that school - built by the English community in Brossard  - was taken and turned into a French school - with Claude Ryan leading that parade - my foray into activism began.
In 89  I finally gave up - and moved to Mississauga, where of course jobs were plentiful.   In 92 I returned (for what I believed would be a short while, because my father was diagnosed with cancer and told he had a year to live.  Once again, finding a job became the usual exercise of futility & the pain and heartache that goes with it.   The greatest pain though was - ALL my french friends had disappeared.  Having an anglo friend was 'not done'.   In 95 I started the 'Staying in Canada Movement' that ended up as the 'Umbrella Group' of all the movements - with over 30,000  members.  As leader of the Group, I was interviewed by CSIS...  to determine whether or not our group was a danger to society.  That was followed up by an invitation to meet with the President of the Federal Liberal Party - a very handsome man whose name I can't remember - and was served a coffee in the finest bone china cup I'd ever seen.   I was asked to trust the Liberal Party and assured that - after the election - the language nonsense would be rectified etc..etc...   which was sadly an unwanted but expected absolute lie.   And as you know - the 'soft' (as some call it) ethnic cleansing increased - big time.  Even Conrad Black paid a huge price - by daring to speak out against the 'language issue'. He is (even though he is a conservative) in my opinion one of the few 'leaders' that had the 'guts' to speak the truth,  and our 'beloved Cretien'  punished him severely for it.   Another example of the gifts given to the English community for its support of 'our' Liberal Party.  Many more examples and stories to tell - I will leave alone for the time being.


Therefore Dan, the ONLY  Unique thing about Quebec is,  that it has become - one of the only places in the world that has managed to ethnically cleanse  an entire population - almost out of existence - without one shot being fired.   And more incredibly - manage to get the full support of our Federal 'Leadership' .  Support that has devastated  more lives than one can ever begin to count.   What on earth is right - about 'recognizing'  the uniqueness  of  a 'nation'  that is NOT a nation at all!   The 'nation' that made up the population of Quebeck  were Quebeckers  that included its non francophone  community.  That is the definition of a nation.  That is what warrants the support and respect of a democracy.  And I know that you know and Mr. Ignatieff knows and everyone else knows - that recognizing the grotesque - barbaric - version of the present 'nation' of Quebec - was and is being achieved - by the Erasure of an entire population and its long standing presence from the Province.  All under the 'guise'  of  'recognizing'  the 'value' ???  of  what?  What 'value'  is there in denying the Rights and Freedoms of millions of Quebeckers that happen to be English speaking.  What 'value'  has come from - getting in bed with Duceppe & the Provincial Liberals  that have legalized the erasure of our presence?  What 'value'  is there in our Federal Politicians - throwing an entire segment of the population to the wolves?  What value is there in 'Starving Canadians - loyal Canadians - long suffering loyal Liberal supporters - into the garbage of poverty and pain.  


Dan - I and most of us are disgusted (the dismayed part has been whipped out of us)  and horrified over what the Leadership of our Country,  that has the temerity to still crow its the land of the strong and 'free' - when the exact opposite is the truth.  The results of  this type of 'leadership'  are very plain to see.   Not only has the 'majority' of  Quebec become - a shameful example of living, breathing bastion of racism and discrimination and repression.  It has proven without a shadow of a doubt - the outright ugliness and darkness that encompasses a 'society' that has been conditioned to 'feel and believe'  they are the 'superior' race.


Again, the ugliest part of it all - is sacrificing us - and leaving us 'captive' helpless and alone - to be victimized and vilified for over 30 years!   Our children have absolutely  No Idea what 'freedom - to live and grow and thrive and experience a sense of 'belonging and playing an active part of the community they have grown up in.   They take it for granted  that  they will NEVER be considered Equal.  They have NO idea what I'm (we're) talking about when I try to describe what 'the freedom to 'assimilate' means!  They KNOW - that the ONLY successful future they have - must be outside the  Province.  They KNOW they are Les Autres and they take it for granted!!   I refer to it as Canada's Great Shame & Dirty Secret - because that is exactly what it is.


You see, as soon as one segment of society is 'recognized'  that is the end of that 'society'  and we both (all) know that.  A nation a true nation is made up of many colors - just like a garden of many flowers.  That is what makes its Spirit blossom.   The other is nothing but a big bag of bullshit.  The ONLY ones who benefit from divisiveness  are the malignant dictatorships - 'leading us'  out of the what once was our enlightened promise land  into the darkness.  


A 'True Leader'  is one who - dares to tell the truth.  A 'Successful and  beloved Leader'  is one that tells the people what they already know  - and having been yearning to hear...  the TRUTH.   I have written to Mr. Ignatieff many many times about this subject and have also told him,  I believe, the country is starving for the leader that will - Say it as It Is - and make it a part of the platform - that promises that ALL Canadians are guaranteed Equality - including reinstating English as An Official Language in Quebec.  That Canada will not, ever again, support or  tolerate discrimination of ANY kind.   And I believe - that ALL  2.5 MILLION Autres - and the Francophone real Federalists (not the nationalist Liberal MP lunatics that have nothing nothing other than destroy the party in Quebec)  will stampede to Liberal Offices to support the Party.   And - more importantly - so will multi-millions of others in the rest of Canada.  That is the power of the Truth and that is what will rebuild this country. 


I can pretty much guarantee that as long as the Federal Liberals continue to sleep with our Oppressors the Quebec Vote - will decline even more. 


Well, my goodness - I can't believe my reply was as long as it is.   And again,  aside from - the 'Nation'  thing... (I suggest you  you delete that little tidbit from your article - leaving it in - will cost you too many votes - trust me on that one)  you are one of the only candidates (Philippe Allard is another one) demonstrating - that you do have the Leadership 'guts'  people are so very hungry for.    (Your writing ability - is extraordinary btw - bow to you)


I will wait for your permission to post this correspondence on my site  and will respect your decision.  My heart very much wants to believe in your 'doing what is right once elected)  and still yearns to once again believe in the party.  But I'm sure you'll understand why that is not possible at this time.  My heart though, does wish you the absolute best. 


I don't have the time to edit the above - so forgive any mishmash you may find.


Sincerely,
Didi


I'm sure you've by now seen my posts on your facebook page  
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Hi Dan, 


That's great Dan, because I believe  - a dialogue like this should be open for comment.  Especially given - it's a first.


I'll respond below within the text in green.








On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 3:50 PM, Daniel D. Veniez <DDVeniez@ddventerprises.com> wrote:
Hi Didi: As far as publishing our exchange, that is entirely up to you. There's nothing I've said to you that I wouldn't say to anyone else. It's the truth of my own belief and experience.

The emotions that you convey are obviously still very raw. I sincerely hope that they can heal. It's time, Didi.
The healing can only begin - when the beating stops Dan.  You betcha it's time to heal.  It's been time ever since this living nightmare began!  Instead it not only continues - it gets worse every year and every election!  So, if you have any 'salve'  that will help start the long promised and long awaited 'healing process';  please load up the train full of 40 yard containers and ship it on over.  

The other side of this story that we haven't talked about is the real genesis of what ushered in those language laws and the PQ in the first place, and how the French people felt 30 years before our story began. In many ways, it was much worse that what we describe in our own experience.

Utter Bulls....t   Dan and I'll be telling you why below.

Here was a people that made up by far the majority in their cities and province, but were treated as second-class citizens in every conceivable way. 

I'm doing my best not to scream at the screen.

The Riopelle's of my family were oppressed by a domineering church and exploited mercilessly by their English employers. The English owned all the businesses, had all the good jobs, lived in the best neighbourhoods, had the best financed and run schools.


I absolutely agree, that not only the Riopelle's  but also, the French community was horribly oppressed (and exploited mercilessly) by the Catholic Church leadership - who were actively involved in all areas of Quebec's religious, business and political decisions. 



The MYTH of that ugly Anglo Employer  is a perfect example of: "Tell a lie often enough and it becomes an historical truth'   applies here.   I've heard these same ugly accusations  thousands of times.  And I will ask you, as I have countless Separatists - Nationalists - everyone really - that uses that Anglo Devil Employer -  - to justify - the need to Ethnic Cleanse - our 400 year long presence, out of our Province.  I'll get back to that later. 



I'd like you to list those horrible English employers Dan.  And would like you to detail the horrendous merciless exploitation - your family members and every other francophone claims - as the,   'yoke they and/or their forefathers - were forced to carry around their  'long suffering necks'.   List the Anglo - Who - What - Where - When and Why details Dan.   If you have them - you'll be the first person - in 30 Years that has the 'facts to back up these 'claims'   



For 30 years,  the only replies I've ever gotten  are examples like:  The Plains Of Abraham  - and the hanging of Louis Riel  and more useless other  'supposed' - horrific events that took place 2-3-400 years ago...  when the entire province and country - was still in its infancy consisting of - little more than small groups of settlements - that, by the way had destroyed the native community - and then had the temerity to 'claim' they were its 'founding people'.  



If as you claim,  members of your own family - were victims of this merciless exploitation -  then you must have the details to back it up.    I do know  - that when we arrived in 1954 -  there was NEVER a mention or claim of that sort,  from ANY of the 24 year long, close second family relationship,  I enjoyed with my francophone friends, colleagues including, the francophone community I dealt with every day!  Not one!  Believe me it  would have made an unforgettable impression on me, given I was a German immigrant!



Nor was there any mention of it in the French media EVER - that I can recall - because my friends or their parents or grandparents would have - of course - been victims of it.  At the very least - at least ONE of them, would have been shouting the news,  from the rooftop of every building - throughout the province and the City Of Montreal - no?   Or at the very least - there would be a viable - history of it - that one could easily access - no?  After all,  99%  of Quebec's Leadership had been and was Francophone - notwithstanding the few - small pockets with an English Mayor here and there.



And,  Montreal with its majority English population;   tell me Dan,  can you recall  an English Mayor at its Helm?  Or an English Premier of the Province?  I do recollect a vague mention of one somewhere - but will have to do a google to find out.   



Tell me Dan:  These terrible English employers, you know - the ones that were instrumental in the Provinces growth and prosperity -the ones that  opened and invested their own hard earned money, to create businesses and plants ..outside Montreal - throughout the rest of unilingual  French ruled Quebec,  who for the first time, provided real jobs with security and decent wages - did so to create a slave workforce?



Note: The political and business  francophone leadership that controlled the Province - hadn't provided any jobs that I know of - had they?   Nor had the Almighty Church that continued preaching its,  "Stay Away From Those Anglo Devils'  mantra - preaching its,  'Quit school after the 6th grade, go work the land for a pittance, and make babies, and tithe  the  Church, here to protect you from those filthy 'Anglo Devils' , that are going to burn in hell for eternity - because they killed Christ'  vomit !   The same Church that knowingly and deliberately kept its 'flock' out of the reaches of a higher education - because it guaranteed more generations of  poor and unskilled  obedience.
The ugly English bosses that - happened to be and speak only English - as they had every right to be- just as the Franco bosses and population had every right to speak and live only in French -  committed the crime of  hiring  unilingual francophones, and committed the worst insult of all,  speaking to them in English?   And dared to suggest staff that wanted to be promoted to management, become proficient in English!  Oh the horror of it all... those damn English Devils daring to make that a criteria for promotion, enabling them to deal with English customers, crucial to the company's survival;   and those English bosses added insult to injury by offering to pay for English courses!   (I know that most of the Major Corps., in the Montreal area - offered not only paid English courses - they offered to pay for higher education  as well!)       Something, a successful business man like you, understands - no? 



Back to examples of these terrible bosses:  Here's one  a nationalist gave me only a couple of months ago:   "My grandfather's English boss  was arrogant!!"  Of course, he never did supply me with the name of that 'arrogant English boss or company.  His grandfathers boss was arrogant!  That's the best and only proof he could come up with ?  I know he looked - because it took him 2 days to come up with that ditty! 



Now Dan    The hell hole, criminal  arrogance of,  30 years of,  'French  Bosses' - Provincial - Federal - Municipal and  Corporate,  who of course, wouldn't dream of hiring an Anglo Quebecker - - no matter how skilled and  fluent they are:  Was demonstrated -  less than a year ago, when Charest  (looking to cement the captive Anglo vote) - hired the Anglo - Saba - to clean up the 10 billion dollar:   "Oops   'mistake'  the "Pas des maudit Anglophones ici' -  Caisse Brass made.  The  hire -   that made, every single media outlet headlines, for weeks - and created  "a public outcry' from:  French media - to good old - Queen of her own castle - Pauline Marios  - decrying the hiring of an Anglo, to a position of authority in Quebec!!   



I will leave the detailed 30 history of Anglo abuse for another time.  But would like to get your feedback on,  30+ years  of documented proof - of  not only enduring daily abuse - as an unwanted reviled - autres - but also, the proof - of being systematically - starved out of the workforce altogether!  I believe it is at the very least - comparable to that Anglo devil boss - that dared to be arrogant - to some 'guys' grandfather, no ?  So does that give us the right - and will the federal government support us - like they have les francophonie - to demand a like  revenge ?



The English ran the federal government and dominated the provinces. To say that Quebec was an equal partner in the federation in those days is a cruel joke. It was far from that.


What on earth are you talking about Dan.  The English happened to be the ones that pioneered the country - and settled throughout Canada.   No one stopped  the francophones from doing the same thing!  They chose not to!  It is only a natural linguistic reality - that if the settlers  are English - they are going to speak to each other in English - and develop their community in English!  After all - Quebec SURELY did the same thing throughout - no - save for the small area English Quebecers settled - in called Greater Montreal!!   I don't remember ANY Anglophones screeching for equal partnership within Quebec - even though they had every right to do so.  And saying they 'dominated'  the provinces - like it was some kind of freaking crime against francophones  - is stunning!



Quebec - being an "equal part of the federation"  means being an equal part of the federation - you know - every province in the country was an  equal part of the federation  - that made up the NATION called CANADA.

Laurier, Cartier, St-Laurent, and any other ministers of the crown, could not get a briefing document or verbal briefing in their mother tongue if it happened to be French. They could not speak to their own officials in french because no one could. They were all English. In the sixties and up to the late seventies, Jean Chretien a senior federal minister from Quebec , as head and accountable for massive government departments, couldn't speak his own native tongue - a language of one of the two founding people's of Canada - most anywhere in the government of Canada. That even extended to deliberations of the cabinet.


Let me tell you something:  Jean Chretien - as a Federal Leader and/or Representative  had an absolute responsibility to be able to communicate with the Canadian - English speaking public - that trusted him enough to elect him - to represent ALL Canadians - not only French Canadians!   And are you suggesting that Laurier - Cartier - St. Laurent as ministers of the Crown - in the country of Canada - with English taxpayers as well as French - also NOT be able to communicate in English - you know, the MAJORITY language of the country.  You know the ones who won the freaking Plains of Abraham war  - and the ones embraced and encouraged the growth and prosperity of the French community.    What the hell - are you talking about.  I know you are an educated man ...  and you must know  that if there is a population that settles an area - that will be the language used in that area!  That's only common sense. And don't tell me - that Laurier and Cartier and St-Laurent  and all the others - couldn't get government paid translators to interpret whatever documentation they wanted.  Again, I stress - that as crown representatives of the Canadian people - they most certainly had an obligation to be able to  speak or learn English. 

This was the reality for most of Canada's first 100 years. The Quiet Revolution started to change that. And assuming Quebec's rightful place within Canada was the motivation for Trudeau, Marchand, and Pelletier's entering federal politics. They made a massive difference. But so too did the movement, started by Lessage, Johnson, and Levesque, to give Quebec and les Quebecois their rightful place in the federation.


As for the 'reality of Canada's first 100 years.  Were you there?  I hope you remember, what you are talking about were events that happened  more than 300 freaking years ago!!    And why are you NOT  mentioning the English founding partner founders  of Quebec;  that at one time were the freaking majority in Quebec!  The ones who helped GROW  the French language in Quebec and never freaking protested that they were in danger of being 'assimilated'  by the growing 'Sea of French that surrounded them !   Nor did they ever suggest - that because of such  'fear'  - French was no longer an official language in Quebec - nor did they close - 99% of french schools -  98% of English businesses - and 99% of English  media,  nor did they make it a freaking Provincial government - pass time - to denigrate, malign, insult and invite the francophones that didn't like it - to 'go back to France,  nor did they force ANY francophone child into an English school  and they most certainly DID NOT go on a malicious - barbaric quest to starve any francophone out of the workforce, nor did they close the door to the entire french population and after many lifetimes of living in harmony - together, did they cut off all ties and friendships  and deny francophones entry into their 'nouveau' pure English only community!   The francophone population were the ones that did exactly that and you know it Dan.   And NOTHING will ever be justifiable about that.  Especially freaking events that happened  300 years ago!   Should we go back to the barbarism of France - and use THAT as a reason - to erase the francophone community?  It's insane to even think of doing something like that.


continued...  tomorrow..

Tuesday, May 25, 2010

Response to Dan Veniez - On his.. "The Michael Ignatieff I Know" article


Note:  Although I firmly agree with Mr. Veniez's  take on the non stop media bashing of Michael Ignatieff  etc..  I was horrified to see him brag about and 'Praise'  Quebec's Nation - Status.   
Quebec's 30 year, ongoing  Ethnic Cleansing - of its 400 year long English history - now as reviled - Les Autres (other) -  and English population in my opinion is the very last thing one would imagine anyone possessing any intellect or semblance thereof - would brag about, no?  Ergo this letter.  
Find the article from his home page:  http://www.danveniez.ca/en/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1&Itemid=2

Sent to: dan@danveniez.ca  05-24-2010 

Dear Mr. Veniez,

I read your article with great interest, having been a Federal Liberal Party Supporter - since you were 5 years old - and having lived in Quebec since 1954, I am compelled to let you know how very 'alarmed' I am to discover that Michael ignatieff - was the FIRST to recognize Quebec as a Nation  - and that you obviously SUPPORT - the continued devastation and destruction this 'supposed nationhood'  has wreaked on the OTHER Quebeckers that not only helped build the COUNTRY of Canada - but more importantly - were a vital part of the building of Quebeck - for 400 years.

This 'nationhood'  has managed nothing other than to remove  the (now called autres - other) language - rights and freedoms - that you continue to and  presently enjoy and take advantage of in beautiful BC;  but is DENIED to over 2.5 Millon Quebeckers  and was responsible for the biggest mass migration of a population that felt FORCED to leave their homes - since World War II .   It has legalized ETHNIC CLEANSING to an entirely new level that is obviously fully supported by our Present Liberal Party  - Even Though - WE  the English and Immigrant community of Quebec were Promised - over and over again - that if we were patient and supported the Federal Liberal Party  - this horrible language law and subsequent ugly discrimination we were subjected to in EVERY  aspect of our lives,  would BE RECTIFIED once the Party was re-elected!   That turned into a 30 year  continued  series of BROKEN PROMISES from our once much beloved Liberal Party.

I am writing this - because - you were obviously only  10 years old - when the disgraceful and grotesque language laws were enacted, and I have to assume you were denied the TRUTH about those "Autres"  that were such a supposed a blight on La Belle Province;  and raised with the  FALSE belief that the French language was in jeopardy and needed to be protected - from the surrounding 'Sea Of English';    And the way to do it was - to  ERASE  the  ENTIRE CULTURE and Language  of Quebec's  Other Founding People...  all  3 million of them  (notwithstanding Our Decimated  Native Population - who are the ONLY TRUE 'Founders of Canada) who had for your information - lived in HARMONY  with their  Francophone Friends, Family and neighbors for over 400 years.  So much so - that the Province had become the RICHEST and most PROSPOROUS one in Canada!   It was also one of the Best places to live in North America.

What has always puzzled and dismayed me is:  The seeming total blindness - absolute and  outright cruel  disregard- coming from supposedly worldly and educated - 'Leaders' such as yourself - when it comes to the non francophone ' community' s  PLIGHT and cries for help.   Being so educated - obviously intelligent enough to run some of our largest businesses  -  the ONLY conclusion one can possibly reach is that - you too - knowingly and deliberately support and promote - the ERASURE of an entire population OUT  of Quebec.   It is obviously  NOT for the good of Quebec - given its continued 'Bottom of the Barrel'  status  both financially and ethically - in the country - and its current UGLY reputation around the world.    So I have to ask - how on earth you can PRAISE  Quebec's  "Nation Status"?   The question is WHY.

Below is a copy of part of an ongoing Facebook dialogue, I sent, only this morning, to a young man - who asked why I wasn't posting in French.  It will give you at least a hint of the facts that one - NEVER sees printed - let alone discussed - from ANY of our supposed 'Leaders'  - who seemingly have  blindly - accepted and supported the righteousness (as if there could be such a thing to anyone with any sense of human decency, rights and morality) - of  Canada's and Quebec's  Factual Ethnic Cleansing - that will forever be etched as Canada's Greatest Shame - in future history books!   



Well Philip my dear. Here's something you may still not be AWARE of, even though I have written it countless times. First and foremost - The freedom to ENROLL into the French School System - was DENIED to population Anglo/Allo BY the French Catholic Education Board - that RULED not only the French School System - but pretty much the essence of ... the Francophone population in Quebec.
My parents tried to have us EDUCATED in FRENCH - from the moment we landed in this province - back in 1954!! We were NOT ALLOWED IN!! Therefore - because they were not rich - just poor immigrants - they could NOT Afford Private Schools and were forced to learn the French language in our schools and through our FRENCH FRIENDS. The French school system only opened to NON Francophones - AFTER the PQ took power!
Therefore: My French written grammatical skills are extremely limited to this day. And if you wonder WHY I didn't take courses etc.... to perfect my skills in French - The first reason is: Although Free French courses are offered to certain current immigrants settling in Quebec - they are STILL NOT offered to Anglo/Allos LIKE ME. We are FORCED have to pay for them - which of course ONCE Again - Denies us - ACCESS to perfecting our French; especially when you consider we have families to support and bills to pay.
I of course, 25 years ago, sent my son to French school willingly - because I wanted him to be not only bilingual - but multi-lingual. He was one of the ONLY non Francophone children in the school and I was forced to REMOVE HIM from the French education system - in the 4th., grade - because he had endured constant bullying by both the children and more importantly the TEACHERS - because he was an ANGLO. It got so bad that he developed a stutter that affected him - until his early 20's and had a profoundly painful effect on his life, as you can well imagine. AND YET - today he is FLUENT in French - although his French written skills although good - are not excellent. Experiences like that btw, were suffered by countless non Franco kids - forced into the French stream and are still happening to this day. (All the kids in our family are fluent in French - both living in Quebec and in Ontario - as are their kids.)
So, I hope you understand that we ALWAYS embraced the French language & its culture and the ONLY REASON we are not firmly entrenched in it - is because WE were NOT Allowed In! Mind you - before the Language Laws - the English community - were the ones who created the French immersion system - and did so willingly and with enthusiasm. I know - because my niece was one of the FIRST students (pre-kindergarten) in it. Her daughter aged 11 - now living in Ontario - is also enrolled in the French stream and loves it.
WE 'les autres' WERE REJECTED by the Francophone community - and NOT the OTHER WAY AROUND as you and so many others have been falsely and deliberately taught. It is up to you to find out why - you were deceived. And up to you - to ask for PROOF of the supposed Anglo SINS committed. Ask for places - names - times - etc... EX: Who - What - Where- When -Why... would be a great start. The answers and truth are there for you.
So - please note: I have no reason to make my quest or posts - based on a foundation of : 'Proving them (Language Law supporters) wrong". My quest and posts are to make sure the TRUTH is told. The TRUTH by the way - is something that EVERY QUEBECER & HUMAN BEING - DESERVE to know! Primarily because - ignorance of the facts and TRUTH - are what allows - discrimination and hatred toward ones fellow human beings to take root and to flourish! THAT and ONLY that is WHY I post. Having been born in Germany - and living the 'consequences' of THAT HORROR - is most probably what compels me to do ALL I can - to Speak Up and Out - Against ANY KIND of Ethnic Cleansing. There is NO RIGHT KIND - and NO  JUSTIFIABLE  REASON  EVER - to ERASE ANY SEGMENT of ANY SOCIETYNONE!!
Following this post - I invite you to read some of the TRUTHS you may have been denied - while growing up:  http://www.politicallyincorrectandproudofit.net/index/so-far-600-000-english-quebecers-forced-to-flee-canada-s-dirty-secret
I am going to be copying and pasting this email on the Liberal Federal Facebook Page - among others.

A reply would be very much appreciated.